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the nra not giving an inch. wayne lapierre got in a heated exchange with senators durbin and leahy over background checks. and he made clear the nra would not give an inch on that issue. let's watch. >> we got to get in the real world on what works and what doesn't work. my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there'll be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> i think you're missing it. >> please wait. as i said earlier, there will be order. >> and the chair of the judiciary committee patrick leahy also tried to pin down lapierre on the same issue. background checks. >> should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> that's not my question. i'm not trying to
the nra not giving an inch. wayne lapierre got in a heated exchange with senators durbin and leahy over background checks. and he made clear the nra would not give an inch on that issue. let's watch. >> we got to get in the real world on what works and what doesn't work. my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there'll be...
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wayne laperriere of the nra says enforcement of existing laws is needed. not more legislation. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals. >> the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. you missed the point completely! >> reporter: saying california already has strict gun role laws, but federal legislation may stop people from going to other states, where it's easier to buy a gun. >> what it does is close an interstate transportation loophole. >> reporter: after the hearing, giffords and her husband met privately with the president at the white house. the president had promised to make gun control a priority. >>> more details now. a small group of protesters rallied outside the san francisco office of senator dianne feinstein. they called themselves women warriors and are opposed to any attempt by the government to take away their weapons. they say the 2nd amendment guarantees their right to bear arms. >>> a controversial new bill was introduced in sacramento toda
wayne laperriere of the nra says enforcement of existing laws is needed. not more legislation. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals. >> the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. you missed the point completely! >> reporter: saying california already has strict gun role laws, but federal legislation may stop people from going to other states, where it's easier to buy a gun....
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. >> the nra position, and shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity rifles still would not work. and banning the semiautomatic weapons, such as the ones used in aurora and elsewhere. the assault weapons ban that was in effect in 1994, they used it to make their case, listen. >> they prove that it had no impact on lowering crime. >> the department of justice report assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces, we chose the 70% decline. >> while armed security works, gun bans do not. >> i have been in law enforcement for nearly 35 years and i have seen an explosion of fire power since the assault weapons ban expired. victims are being riddled with multiple gunshots. >> reenact the law that according to the department of justice did absolutely nothing to reduce gun violence. >> the 1994 assault weapon ban did not stop columbine. the justice department found the ban ineffective. >> you may hear both sides and say both sides cannot be right. the problem is there is really no clear-cut way of telling who is, not just beca
. >> the nra position, and shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity rifles still would not work. and banning the semiautomatic weapons, such as the ones used in aurora and elsewhere. the assault weapons ban that was in effect in 1994, they used it to make their case, listen. >> they prove that it had no impact on lowering crime. >> the department of justice report assault weapons as a percentage of gun...
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wayne laperriere of the nra says enforcement of existing laws is needed. not more legislation. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals. >> the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. you missed the point completely! >> reporter: saying california already has strict gun role laws, but federal legislation may stop people from going to other states, where it's easier to buy a gun. >> what it does is close an interstate transportation loophole. >> reporter: after the hearing, giffords and her husband met privately with the president at the white house. the president had promised to make gun control a priority. >>> more details now. a small group of protesters rallied outside the san francisco office of senator dianne feinstein. they called themselves women warriors and are opposed to any attempt by the government to take away their weapons. they say the 2nd amendment guarantees their right to bear arms. >>> a controversial new bill was introduced in sacramento toda
wayne laperriere of the nra says enforcement of existing laws is needed. not more legislation. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranged criminals. >> the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. you missed the point completely! >> reporter: saying california already has strict gun role laws, but federal legislation may stop people from going to other states, where it's easier to buy a gun....
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maybe not from the nra's leadership, but from congress, from the nra membership. you know, we're not going to agree on everything. you know, gabby and i are both very strong supporters of the second amendment. i don't think you'll find somebody who is a stronger supporter of the second amendment. but in my opinion and in gabby's, some of these things are not really about the second amendment anymore. they're about public safety and protecting your children even in their classrooms. >> captain mark kelly, thank you very much. we wish you the best of luck in your efforts. >> thank you, mika. thank you, joe. >> thanks for being on the show. >> thank you, captain. and please give our best to your wife. what courageous testimony yesterday. >> it was. it was incredible to hear from her. it said it all. it really did, in very few words. this issue, though, we were talking about generals coming forward, colin powell, different people on our show, and politicians who are moving toward trying to get either bans on assault weapons or background checks for stricter regulation
maybe not from the nra's leadership, but from congress, from the nra membership. you know, we're not going to agree on everything. you know, gabby and i are both very strong supporters of the second amendment. i don't think you'll find somebody who is a stronger supporter of the second amendment. but in my opinion and in gabby's, some of these things are not really about the second amendment anymore. they're about public safety and protecting your children even in their classrooms. >>...
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the head of the nra was there as well. he said criminals would not be impacted by them because they do not undergo background checks. after the hearing, kelly and lapierre shook hand. >> strong disagreements. good to see they did shake hand. we disagree. we did so cordially and respectfully. >> what is the answer? what is the nra putting forth as the answer. >> security in schools, armed guard at the schools. their answer. the famous quote. the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. that is their stance. more guns, arm everybody. >> what about all the loopholes? gun show loophole? there has to be an answer from the nra about that. >> even with all of the debate going on right now. it seems the assault weapons ban from '94 to 2004. doesn't appear to go through. a lot of opposition. we are a gun loving country end of the day. oner to they get around and make head way on the background issue, the loopholes you mention, particularly, a private dealer or at gun shows, the same check system is not in pla
the head of the nra was there as well. he said criminals would not be impacted by them because they do not undergo background checks. after the hearing, kelly and lapierre shook hand. >> strong disagreements. good to see they did shake hand. we disagree. we did so cordially and respectfully. >> what is the answer? what is the nra putting forth as the answer. >> security in schools, armed guard at the schools. their answer. the famous quote. the only way to stop a bad guy with...
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. >> reporter: congress is considering new gun laws but there is little consensus, the head of the nra said washington better enforce gun laws already on the books. >> violent felons, gang members and drug dealers with guns and the mentally ill are not being prosecuted and that is unacceptable. >> the democrat senators. >> we can't have a totally armed society. >> reporter: talked about better background checks. gabrielle giffords' husband did too. >> my wife would not be sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> reporter: his brother was shot and killed in 2003. he wants to reduce violence but little sign of agreement on how to do so. >> up hill battle. fight, fight, fight. we got to keep pushing forward. >> reporter: ktvu channel 2 news. >>> people in support of gun ownership protested outside of senator dianne feinstein office today while she was at the hearing in washington, d.c. member of the committee women warriors were demonstrating this morning. they held a press conference to send a message to the senator they oppose legislation to ban semi-automatic weapons
. >> reporter: congress is considering new gun laws but there is little consensus, the head of the nra said washington better enforce gun laws already on the books. >> violent felons, gang members and drug dealers with guns and the mentally ill are not being prosecuted and that is unacceptable. >> the democrat senators. >> we can't have a totally armed society. >> reporter: talked about better background checks. gabrielle giffords' husband did too. >> my wife...
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there are 4.5 million active members of the nra. they are joined by tens of millions of supporters throughout the country. it is on behalf of those millions of decent, hard- working, law-abiding citizens that i am here today to give voice to their concerns. the title of today's hearing is "what should america do about gun violence?" we believe the answer is to be honest about what works and honest about what does not work. teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works. the nra has a long and proud history of doing exactly that. our child safety program has taught 25 million young children that if they see a gun, they should do four things. stop, don't touch, the area, call an adult. as a result of this and other private-sector programs, fatal firearms accidents are at the lowest level in 100 years. the nra has over 80,000 certified instructors to teach our military personnel, law enforcement officers, and hundreds of thousands of other american men and women how to safely use firearms. we do more and spend more than anyone else
there are 4.5 million active members of the nra. they are joined by tens of millions of supporters throughout the country. it is on behalf of those millions of decent, hard- working, law-abiding citizens that i am here today to give voice to their concerns. the title of today's hearing is "what should america do about gun violence?" we believe the answer is to be honest about what works and honest about what does not work. teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works. the nra has...
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the nra says it is no longer on board with that because it just won't work. >> you are never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: republicans and even some rural state democrats agree. that is a big challenge for president obama. rob, sunny, become to you. >> all right, thank you, karen. the world's biggest retailer made a decision about ammunition sales. wal-mart customers may buy only three boxes of ammo a day. because of limited supplies these days. with demand up for bullets. wal-mart says it is striking a balance between serving hunters and sportmen and selling firearms responsibly. >>> in newtown, an emotional hearing on gun control wrapped up. among the witnesses, parents who lost their kids in the massacre. one mother called on lawmakers. a few newtown residents spoke out against more restrictions on gun rights. >> if you think about it those parent are still grieving. they're the face, many of them have become the face of this, this gun control issue. i mean, it is what six weeks ago? that they lost their babies? talking about babies.
the nra says it is no longer on board with that because it just won't work. >> you are never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: republicans and even some rural state democrats agree. that is a big challenge for president obama. rob, sunny, become to you. >> all right, thank you, karen. the world's biggest retailer made a decision about ammunition sales. wal-mart customers may buy only three boxes of ammo a day. because of limited...
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we have representatives of the brady campaign and a board member of the nra. people who have been affected by gun violence, people have used guns to protect themselves and their families. we wanted this to try to be a discussion and get a lot of different view points in and see if there are any common grounds between those who are great advocates for more gun control and advocates for gun rights opposed to greater gun control or greater background check. so we wanted to try to look for common ground and not just look at guns but also mental health issues and where that is in the equation and school safety issues. it's going to be an interesting discussion tonight, wolf. >> i'm really looking forward to it. i hope you find common ground. this is a critically, critically important issue for our entire country. anderson's town hall tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. >>> up next, a catastrophic flooding taking an enormous economic toll on australia and they have an impact felt around the world. ake someone happy.♪ ♪it's so important to make someone
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so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's definitely going to be a universal background check. i think most in law enforcement would agree that a universal background check certainly would make it more difficult for people who are trying to get weapons, keep them out of their hands. in fact from 1994 to 2009, nearly two million prohibited purchases were stopped. so we know this is going to work. obviously increasing penalties for those who try to straw purchase for someone else, i really think this will ve a tremendous impact. >> so wayne la pierre of the nra doesn't agree with you. at the hearing yesterday he said that criminals will never submit to these back groundiground che. let's listen to what he said. >> when it comes to back
so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's definitely going to be a universal background check. i think most in law enforcement would...
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wayne lapierre, the head of the nra, says the federal government is not enforcing its existing gun laws effectively and the answer is not more gun laws. >> none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching law to tackle gun violence through congress? >> is he biting off more than he can chew? >> this is a president with a 60% approval rating right now. he is in his last term as president. this is the time to strike while the iron is hot. he's as popular as he may ever be. if he's going to go try to sell his agenda, now is the time to do it. >> reporter: president obama said in a univision interview yesterday that congress will pass bills on both gun violence and immigration in the coming months, but even some democrats like chuck schumer who support a wide-reaching bill are more optimistic that just something narrow l
wayne lapierre, the head of the nra, says the federal government is not enforcing its existing gun laws effectively and the answer is not more gun laws. >> none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching...
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tonight, major nra flip-flop. at a hearing today, the head of the gun group shared his thoughts on background checks and as you might guess, he is against them. but, he wasn't always. jim acosta has the story. >> please, i'm not trying to play games here. >> it flared up early when patrick leahy grilled lapierre over background checks. >> you do not support mandatory background checks in all >> we do not because the fact is, law right now is a failure the way it's working. >> as it turns out, he was for background checks at gun shows before he was against them. and said so in 1999. >> we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory, instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> when he was reminded of that line -- >> now, you do not support background checks for all firearms. >> i think the check system the way it's working now is a failure. >> lapierre's argument -- >> the problem with gun laws is criminals don't cooperate with them. >> but between 1994 an
tonight, major nra flip-flop. at a hearing today, the head of the gun group shared his thoughts on background checks and as you might guess, he is against them. but, he wasn't always. jim acosta has the story. >> please, i'm not trying to play games here. >> it flared up early when patrick leahy grilled lapierre over background checks. >> you do not support mandatory background checks in all >> we do not because the fact is, law right now is a failure the way it's...
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republicans have benefited from at least $700,000 in various forms from the nra the nra's pac or -- >> i'm sure a coincidence. >> stephanie: yeah. don in oklahoma welcome. >> caller: hello. >> stephanie: hi, go ahead. >> caller: i just wanted to say first of all that i am 100% supportive of background checks for everybody buying guns. i do have some concerns -- i'm a psychologist, and these mental health reporting laws. i'm not sure what people are talking about reporting, but what we know from the statistics people with serious mental disorders are much more likely to be victimized as opposed to being perpetrators. >> stephanie: senator franken made that point yesterday. he said not all mentally ill people obviously the vast majority is not violent. >> caller: i think it's much easier and much cheaper just to put it on the backs of mental health practitioners to do this reporting. we already have to report if we think somebody is a danger to themselves and others but we also don't want to discourage people from actually seeking treatment. >> stephanie: i hear you. and don i encourage
republicans have benefited from at least $700,000 in various forms from the nra the nra's pac or -- >> i'm sure a coincidence. >> stephanie: yeah. don in oklahoma welcome. >> caller: hello. >> stephanie: hi, go ahead. >> caller: i just wanted to say first of all that i am 100% supportive of background checks for everybody buying guns. i do have some concerns -- i'm a psychologist, and these mental health reporting laws. i'm not sure what people are talking about...
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he obviously is, you know, very strong supporter of the nra. and, you know, guns and the role of guns in west virginia is different than, let's say, some other parts of the country but all that being said i think he looks at it in terms of what can we do that is reasonable and can pass. i think from -- you know, his style is to work with republicans and democrats to kind of try to come up with common sense reforms. the difficulty said in terms of doing that is you have kind of three forces. you have one force that doesn't want to do anything. you have i think one force on the other side that wants to do a lot. and then the middle is what is that compromise? what is that reasonable thing that can pass? that's where it gets really difficult. >> absolutely. and we know the emotions involved and we have watched hearings, for example, in connecticut with the family members of children who were killed and spouses who were killed and the newtown massacre. you know, you have the president talking about chicago and today rahm emanuel, the mayor of chica
he obviously is, you know, very strong supporter of the nra. and, you know, guns and the role of guns in west virginia is different than, let's say, some other parts of the country but all that being said i think he looks at it in terms of what can we do that is reasonable and can pass. i think from -- you know, his style is to work with republicans and democrats to kind of try to come up with common sense reforms. the difficulty said in terms of doing that is you have kind of three forces. you...
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we heard from the nra chief. we making progress? >> when it comes to guns in the control of guns to absolutely not. what we have really lost control of are the gangs. i did the story of a chicago this morning. i talked about the not -- a mother who has lost four children to gun violence in one family. a daughter and three sons, the latest just recently, and the gangs are what are out of control. chicago police have no control over them. the sister-in-law's angeles. not only true in the major urban centers, get cain violence is taking over the suburbs and even rural areas in america. we do virtually nothing about it. here in new york there is a major gang squad unit that works very hard all the time. i think that there are hundreds involved in it, and even they have trouble, if you remember this past summer, they cordoned off a blocked because the gangs, they knew the gangs are going to be fighting in the streets and the cubs cordoned it off and would not let people know wind that live there. lori: gang violence, video games. so many
we heard from the nra chief. we making progress? >> when it comes to guns in the control of guns to absolutely not. what we have really lost control of are the gangs. i did the story of a chicago this morning. i talked about the not -- a mother who has lost four children to gun violence in one family. a daughter and three sons, the latest just recently, and the gangs are what are out of control. chicago police have no control over them. the sister-in-law's angeles. not only true in the...
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and i would urge the nra, mr. lapierre, and other gun advocacy groups to work with us on this proposal. the nra supported of our 2007 legislation that improved the background check system. i hoping they will try to do that again. it is a simple, straightforward solution, one the american people support. a recent survey by the new england journal of medicine found 90% of republicans, 74% of nra members support requiring background checks for all gun sales. i understand that because we have not introduced it i cannot ask the witness is about it. but i can tell you what it will not do. it will not create a gun registry. that is already illegal and is repeatedly illegal in our law. and it will not allow you to bar your relatives hunting rifle or share a gun at a gun range. it will include a reasonable exceptions to background checks for bonafide sales and transfers. checks and sales are a tactic. do you agree with the logic that we should prosecute people who illegally tried to buy guns? but even without that, the law
and i would urge the nra, mr. lapierre, and other gun advocacy groups to work with us on this proposal. the nra supported of our 2007 legislation that improved the background check system. i hoping they will try to do that again. it is a simple, straightforward solution, one the american people support. a recent survey by the new england journal of medicine found 90% of republicans, 74% of nra members support requiring background checks for all gun sales. i understand that because we have not...
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even thought about joining the nra. after newtown they started a political action committee to fight for tougher gun restrictions. they are calling for universal background checks covering gun shows and private dealers and a ban on magazines with more than 10 rounds of ammunition which kelly says might have saved the youngest victim of the shooting that almost killed his wife. the first bullet went into gabby's head. bullet number 13 went into a-year-old girl named christina taylor green when he tried to reload one 33 round magazine with another 33 round magazine and he dropped it it and a woman named patricia mayse grabbed it and it gave bystander time to tackle him. i contend if that same thing happened when he was trying to reload one ten round magazine with another 10 round magazine, meaning did he not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened, christina taylor green would be alive today. i certainly am willing to give up my right to own a high capacity magazine to bring that young woman ba
even thought about joining the nra. after newtown they started a political action committee to fight for tougher gun restrictions. they are calling for universal background checks covering gun shows and private dealers and a ban on magazines with more than 10 rounds of ammunition which kelly says might have saved the youngest victim of the shooting that almost killed his wife. the first bullet went into gabby's head. bullet number 13 went into a-year-old girl named christina taylor green when...